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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:00 am
by obsoletenihilist
Chia wrote:By the way... what is the official penalty for stealing? I just want to know whether to shout bloody murder when wrongly accused, or simply smirk...
It's not easy being a tiefling
It really depends on if you get caught by the guards, or by the player. All of the people that are into roleplay will try and turn it into a nice scenario where perhaps something can be gotten out of it by both parties.
If they aren't that into RP, you'll be expecting a quick death most likely.
hostile check
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:04 am
by The_Four_Horsemen
Eowade wrote:JayZup wrote:This has degeneratred to a whine fest,
and Ive been personally i nsulted by one person,
So Im out. I wish you all the best.
Hope you were not refering to my posts there. Was just trying to clear up if spot was actually a defense against pick pockets which it looks like it's not and there is nothing that actually hampers the pickpocket attempt it's just a dc 20 check. Has anyone tested if turning someone to hostile gives them a negative on the dc check. If I recall correctly there was a penalty to pickpocketing a hostile target in NWN 1.
Hostile makes the DC 30
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:19 am
by Mon-da-oth
As far as how does a master pickpocket become a master pickpocket without a criminal record; it is possible to pickpocket NPC's, including ones that are by themselves so if caught it turns into a murder if the thief managed to kill them, and goblins and other hostile creatures. Is just much harder.
I don't know if this is currently possible here but it use to work on other mods that I have played on.
Re: hostile check
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:45 am
by Eowade
The_Four_Horsemen wrote:Eowade wrote:JayZup wrote:This has degeneratred to a whine fest,
and Ive been personally i nsulted by one person,
So Im out. I wish you all the best.
Hope you were not refering to my posts there. Was just trying to clear up if spot was actually a defense against pick pockets which it looks like it's not and there is nothing that actually hampers the pickpocket attempt it's just a dc 20 check. Has anyone tested if turning someone to hostile gives them a negative on the dc check. If I recall correctly there was a penalty to pickpocketing a hostile target in NWN 1.
Hostile makes the DC 30
Thanks that's good to know.
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:47 am
by Chia
obsoletenihilist wrote:Chia wrote:By the way... what is the official penalty for stealing? I just want to know whether to shout bloody murder when wrongly accused, or simply smirk...
It's not easy being a tiefling
It really depends on if you get caught by the guards, or by the player. All of the people that are into roleplay will try and turn it into a nice scenario where perhaps something can be gotten out of it by both parties.
If they aren't that into RP, you'll be expecting a quick death most likely.
I don't get caught. I get
accused.
Just because you have horns and are good with traps doesn't mean you go around checking everybody's pockets, all right?
See what I mean? It's like accusing all drow of being murderous basta... Um Never mind that one.
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:50 am
by Xira
JayZup wrote:Funny thing,
Something exists in the game, to stop this,
Its called SPOT skill.
.
Spot skill?
In order to 'spot' a guy with Nimble Fingers, SF: Slight of Hand, 20 dex, and lets say level 4 you'd need (At level 1) more feats than you can get. It dosen't get any easier versus a good pickpocket build either as their SoH skill just keeps rocketing up while your spot skill only goes up in small fits.
That's assumeing you spend every feat you get uping your spot skill, and have maxed whatever stat's required. It only goes downhill from there...Assumeing you actually, ya'know, want to play the game.
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:57 am
by Xira
JayZup wrote:See, this here is EXACLTY why I RP all my Thieving exps,
I also follow a kinda guidelines to how and what are acceptable.
I know, it doesnt help you guys, but here is a general overview
of How I run Dario, My Ingame thief....
1) I only steal from each person, MAX every 30 minutes.
2) I actually Maneuver, move and try and sneak up
near terrain, and trees, or around corners,
3) I actually check and make sure the person is
MODERATE or greater before I steal from them,
otherwise, I feel like Im kicking a puppy
4) RUN LIKE HELL, Makes no sense that you would
kinda sit there, counting the coins, after a lift. LEAVE.
Gives the mark a chance to see you moving, and figure it out.
Is it just me or does this sound about as 'roleplayed' as YARRRRRR I AM BIKKIE THE NEWIBE KILLER! IM CE! PREPEARE TO DIE EVERYONE!
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:00 am
by Xira
White Wolf935 wrote:most theives i've seen just bumps into me saying nothing. so right now tren is very spottish, if you run into him, and he knows your a former theif, or your bumping into everyone else around him he's going to ram you down for theivery.
Good for you, DMs get special ability to avoid PP griefing. *rolls eyes*. What about us plebs?
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:01 am
by baby1111007
Xira wrote:White Wolf935 wrote:most theives i've seen just bumps into me saying nothing. so right now tren is very spottish, if you run into him, and he knows your a former theif, or your bumping into everyone else around him he's going to ram you down for theivery.
Good for you, DMs get special ability to avoid PP griefing. *rolls eyes*. What about us plebs?
White Wolf is a DM? news to me
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:07 am
by Xira
baby1111007 wrote:Xira wrote:White Wolf935 wrote:most theives i've seen just bumps into me saying nothing. so right now tren is very spottish, if you run into him, and he knows your a former theif, or your bumping into everyone else around him he's going to ram you down for theivery.
Good for you, DMs get special ability to avoid PP griefing. *rolls eyes*. What about us plebs?
White Wolf is a DM? news to me
Aren't all the guards DMs?
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:07 am
by Stormknife
obsoletenihilist wrote:It really depends on if you get caught by the guards, or by the player. All of the people that are into roleplay will try and turn it into a nice scenario where perhaps something can be gotten out of it by both parties.
If they aren't that into RP, you'll be expecting a quick death most likely.
Speak for yourself.
I'm into RP, but if I catch you stealing I'll nuke first and ask questions later. And yes, I've played a pickpocket. It's a risk you take when you click the steal button.
Is it just me or does this sound about as 'roleplayed' as YARRRRRR I AM BIKKIE THE NEWIBE KILLER! IM CE! PREPEARE TO DIE EVERYONE!
Except the way it was phrased makes it sound like he only steals from people who rate as moderate, challenging, overpowering, or impossible. I can respect that.
I'll still nuke first, though.
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:09 am
by Grayle
Xira wrote:baby1111007 wrote:Xira wrote:
Good for you, DMs get special ability to avoid PP griefing. *rolls eyes*. What about us plebs?
White Wolf is a DM? news to me
Aren't all the guards DMs?
I think this misconception steers from the visable usergroup.
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:11 am
by baby1111007
Xira wrote:baby1111007 wrote:Xira wrote:
Good for you, DMs get special ability to avoid PP griefing. *rolls eyes*. What about us plebs?
White Wolf is a DM? news to me
Aren't all the guards DMs?
Actually, none of the player guards are DMs. Furthermore the DMs are no more protected from being pick pocketed than the rest of us, as evidence by the fact that Wyv got hit himself, in front of me... as I am sure some of the other DMs when playing.
I wish to add that some of these griefing pick pocketers may wish to be more careful, you never know when that level 1 or 2 newb you are harassing is a staff member in disguise.
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:17 am
by Tinuvhiell
I've made a suggestion, half jokingly, that it gets set so if a thief is killed by a player within a certain time after stealing an item he drops his entire inventory...
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:44 am
by Sunraven
I have seen a fair few pick pockets lately and all of them halfling rogues. So now when ever I see a halfling I am tempted to just kill them saves me trouble. I also hate anyone bumping into me be they a rogue or not. Barging into people is just gets plain annoying even if they are not trying to steal form you.
There really is very little you can do to stop someone PPing you. I do think that there shouldbe a weight limit if possible. A few potions, jewelery or some gold is resonable but taking a suit of platemail from someone is not pick pocketing thats stripping someone naked and having them not notice.
I do like Tin's suggestion though
