Pick pocketing (rules clarification)

Post by **Vahene** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:08 pm

Mon-da-oth wrote:Myles often hung around with Stagger. I figured if anything went missing it was just payment for good company.

Ever try to get something back? It was really fun.

-K

Post by **Peregrinus** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:30 pm

Funny, Falson hung out with rogues all the time, and I don't think I ever lost anything, except that once where Niles was showing off and emptied half my inventory into a trade window... woulda been funny except one of the things he got was a stack of 10 bloodstones, then rendered worthless because they had been "stolen."

It pays to be friendly with the cutters, don't you know.

Anen · Post by **Anen** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:50 pm

Peregrinus wrote:Funny, Falson hung out with rogues all the time, and I don't think I ever lost anything, except that once where Niles was showing off and emptied half my inventory into a trade window... woulda been funny except one of the things he got was a stack of 10 bloodstones, then rendered worthless because they had been "stolen."

It pays to be friendly with the cutters, don't you know.

You were fortunate enough to be hanging out with the decent rogues (that is to say, rogues who did not abuse the system).

The pick-pocketing ruleset was not drafted for responsible, level-headed rogue players. If everyone got along, you wouldn't need it. It was drafted in response to the people who habitually abused the pick-pocketing ability, an era in Dasaria's history you were fortunate enough to miss.

Indeed, the reason pick-pocketing wasn't a huge issue in Dasaria's late period was due in part to the pick-pocketing rulset. Rogues figured out that if you stole something, chances are you'd be put down, and then you'd lose a random 1-3 items.

It also helped that the earlier Redboot Brigade kept the pick-pocketing griefing in check fairly well.

Trinn · Post by **Trinn** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:08 am

Anen wrote:
Peregrinus wrote: It was drafted in response to the people who habitually abused the pick-pocketing ability, an era in Dasaria's history you were fortunate enough to miss.

I second this.

And I am sure it will be an era that shall be suffered once more. But I hope we dont decide on reflex action to stamp out behaviours that dont fit. ... after a while they'll be gone anyway.

Grayle · Post by **Grayle** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:11 am

I'm sure a PC militia will end up being formed soon enough.

Post by **Vahene** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:28 am

Grayle wrote:I'm sure a PC militia will end up being formed soon enough.

I'm sure a.. cunning.. organization will be formed around the same time.

-K

lankycheese · Post by **lankycheese** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:47 pm

I'm going to enjoy playing a CN Duelist who has no qualms about murdering any theives in town. ^^

Black Hand Enclave · Post by **Black Hand Enclave** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:55 pm

Coasty1981 wrote:We have a character named Bob who worships Lochwar (Master of plots and retribution).

We have another charter Tim who has shamed Bob in some way and while of roughly equal skill to Bob has far better equipment so can kick Bobs butt.

So Bob being resourceful and having contacts hires a "Troubleshooter" (aka. Thief) to go into town and steal (pickpocket) Tim to get his weapons (Since you can't brandish weapons in town). If the thief gets spotted he is to lead Tim to Bob who will be waiting someplace just outside the city. If not caught the thief is to let Bob know that Tim is now weaponless and ripe for the pickings.

Either way Bob now confronts Tim who is now at the disadvantage thus allowing Bob to get his Justified Retubition.

All of this is thus in character. Also if Bob is a smart man he'd bribe a guard or bring Tim's body back along with some evidence to Tim being a Heretic or Enemy to the state thus raising Bob's relations with the local guards enabling him to dig deeper plots in the future.

The new Dasaria is not a nice place after all.

My kind of thinking. You should be intruduced to the Black Hands for certain.

ChikenKannon · Post by **ChikenKannon** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:03 pm

Or my style of fighting, pick pocket (try and get the weapon) they will draw their weapon if I fail to take it, disarm them and steal the weapon.

((Insert evil plan here))

Return weapon after looking back and laughing about it together via Tells.

Bottesini · Post by **Bottesini** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:56 pm

There are two big problems I have with PP right now.

1. Some I have noticed (not all) just run off and don't let you RP if it happens, and even if you do kill them if they got something like you sword, it is gone and so are they. Instead if you could retrive it that would be much better. Right now with low death penalties (which I do like in some ways) the risk is not that big compared to the rewards.

2. This probally being the more important thing is that I personally do not want the DMs spending their precious time dealing with griefers and such issues. Instead I rather them be helping with RP and the good things.

I know I have said it in other posts before, but perhaps PP needs to be modified with some sort of scripting thing. I have seen it work well on other servers that I used to play on, and am more then willing to share any thoughts I can give of the subject if they want to be heard.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:35 pm

Corpse bags WILL be coming back. It just takes time. Please bear with it, we will deal with the griefers as quickly as possible.

Drax · Post by **Drax** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:21 am

Just wanted to point out that im probably going to get banned from this server soon cus im going to grief a pickpocketer as much as I can.

Had just completed the Lucky Charm quest and got myself a neat little charm. I really enjoyed that quest and when I came back to the Mistvale inn, of course it gets stolen. And I know who the thief was, so I confront him right there.
He denies it, I threaten to smash his face if he doesn't give it back. There's also a witness to what happened but there was nothing I could do when the thief just decided to run off. Not like I can report him to the guards or anything.
And no matter what I do, I will always be the one losing to a pickpocketer? So what if I kill him? He can just pickpocket me again soemday and I might lose an even more important item.

I really tried to RP to get my charm back. Now im going to kill that guy everytime I can until I get banned.

You may ask why I would do such a stupid thing just for a small item? Well the thing is what about when I hit lvl 20 and the same **** happens but the item is no longer just a charm? I can't do anything against pickpocketers even if I notice them.

I even had like one page full of wolf hides at the time it happened. Can pickpocket choose what item they want to pick or was I really unlucky?

Im also forced to run around with my two handed axe everywhere now cus if I keep it in my inventory it can be stolen...

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:55 am

Drax wrote:Now im going to kill that guy everytime I can until I get banned.

How about you just quit and save the DMs the trouble of banning you?

ChikenKannon · Post by **ChikenKannon** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:59 am

For those of you who don't know. When you are dead and lying as a corpse your Pick pocket DC goes down to 1.

So... I'm not going to say more because it could cause problems. But the clever ones should be able to figure out what I'm saying.

Grayle · Post by **Grayle** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:15 am

Rob wrote:
Drax wrote:Now im going to kill that guy everytime I can until I get banned.
How about you just quit and save the DMs the trouble of banning you?

Muhahaha