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Do you think this could be a decent build?

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So, I want to roll a half elf warrior, (Well, am) but I'm not sure if the build I'm thinking of will be very good.
base stats

STR 16
DEX 15
CON 15
INT 14
WIS 8
CHA 8

I'm planning on giving her weapon focus in great swords and suiting her in scale mail for the dexterity bonus. I'm also investing in the idea of using two weapon fighting and defense then rolling a bit into parry for her lack of high defense. I also am thinking of giving her skills that revolve around granting 'Attacks of Opportunities' and the Expert Tactician feat. I generally trying to get a feel for a high damage character with using her defences based into parry instead of heavy armor and constitution.

Think this build could work out well? I'm not entirely sure at the moment, I don't know the combat rules of D&D heavily so that puts me at a moderate disadvantage. So would parry be of any use with this character? I was hoping the two hand defense along with improved parry and skill focus on parry would give her alot of tanking ability without the need for heavy armor while still maintaining a nice reposte damage of a two hander great-sword.
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you are going to want more in WIS ( at lease 10 for a +0) and the feats Toughness & Steadfast Determination. You will save is very important. There are alot of things that like mind affecting spells and fighters have poor Will Saves. You will need it.

Steadfast Determination feat requires Toughness feat. This will replace your Will save ability stat with your CON bonus instead of your Will bonus

That is my recomendation from my experiance.
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Read the Expert Tactician feat description, its kind of useless.
two weapon fighting and the feats for its defense only apply to some one holding a weapon in each hand, not a single weapon with two hands. So a greatsword will not have any benifit from these feats, in which case lower your dex and go full plate.

Parry takes alot of points to start workingso expect it to start ramping up midlevel range.
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Be aware of a glitch with parry:
The NWN engine breaks down attacks per round into three 'flurries' per round; one at the start, one at the middle, and one at the end. You won't notice this until you hit 4 attacks per round. This is how a regular round goes for a person with four attacks per round:
-Round start-
Flurry #1: Attack x2.
Flurry #2: Attack
Flurry #3: Attack
-Next round-

Parry only deflects the first attack per 'flurry,' so don't neglect your AC.


Oh, and NWN2wiki says that Expert Tactician doesn't work, but that thing is not anywhere near as reliable as NWNwiki for the original NWN.
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Expert_tactician
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Re: Do you think this could be a decent build?

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Stringless Puppet wrote:I want to roll a half elf warrior, (Well, am) but I'm not sure if the build I'm thinking of will be very good.
Ha,I love build discussions. I would second steadfast determination if you have the expansions. If you really hate mind-spells indomitable soul is also good because it let's you reroll if you fail the first time.

I like Dex builds and also well-rounded ones that include different options, but with parry you have to go all in and focus on parry (take parry skill feat, max out on Dex, ...etc) to make it work and then sometimes it still doesn't.

I'm not sure if you meant that you will have two greatswords, which will require monkey grip, but will lose a lot of attack even with TWF feats.

If you want attacks of opportunity-like skills, you may try to go with a few rogue levels in there and get feint later on to score some good sneak attack damage. With more dex and evasion you can avoid a majority of the elemental damages.

Also, don't forget Roleplaying when you choose your build. It makes things more fun in the long run.

Also also, you can try your build out first with nw2db.com
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hannahcoldkiller wrote: Also also, you can try your build out first with nw2db.com
Its a good site to go over your idea's when you dont have the nwn2 game to play around with (like at work) but I have noticed its feat validation is not 100% and its cross class skill points can be a little off from time to time, so use the cheat codes in a local game to verify the results before committing to a complex build.
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If your looking for a build that will make life more interesting for you at higher lvl's go 19 Monk 1 SD :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Mensha Khaine wrote:
hannahcoldkiller wrote: Also also, you can try your build out first with nw2db.com
Its a good site to go over your idea's when you dont have the nwn2 game to play around with (like at work) but I have noticed its feat validation is not 100% and its cross class skill points can be a little off from time to time, so use the cheat codes in a local game to verify the results before committing to a complex build.
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I disagree with upping your Wisdom. If you're going to be a fighter, the primary thing you need to concentrate on is Strength. That's where your power comes from, that's where your "hard-hitting" reputation comes from. Don't worry about boosting your Intelligence (unless it's for a role-playing reason), Wisdom or Charisma. Most fighters are not that charismatic or wise. They tend to jump in battle head first, and are used as 'fodder' to keep the casters alive.

For the record, I have a fighter/weapon-master/bard/NWN9 ... who has pretty even stats, and I do have increased intelligence, but as I said before, it's for a role-playing reason. Yes, her will saves do pretty much suck, as any member of Argentum will tell you, but.. every character has disadvantages.

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Well, the lack of use with expert tactician kind of ruins the point of investing in things such as knock down. I was hoping the attacks of opportunities it brought would benefit groups since expert tactician is suppossed to help in attack rolls (Or something to that extent.) Also, I ment wielding one great-sword, sorry for the miscomunication. well, I invested into int to atleast 13 to get a feat, and are you positive two hand fighting doesn't apply to 2 hander swords? If so, that's the complete basis for my characters build, so the whole build is down the toilet from there. I need to get better aquainted with D&D, that's what this discussion is ending up to mean. Anyway, thanks guys. I may just go for a higher con and invest in shield and swords I guess. Also, I was planning on investing into fortitude and reflex saves and attempting to keep my strength and dexterity in a close range of one another. But I wasn't planning on working on will because my primary focus wasn't tanking altogether as much as holding a bit of melee aggro while avoiding damage and dealing some. Thanks for the advice!
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Stringless Puppet wrote:So, I want to roll a half elf warrior, (Well, am) but I'm not sure if the build I'm thinking of will be very good.
base stats

STR 16
DEX 15
CON 15
INT 14
WIS 8
CHA 8

I'm planning on giving her weapon focus in great swords and suiting her in scale mail for the dexterity bonus. I'm also investing in the idea of using two weapon fighting and defense then rolling a bit into parry for her lack of high defense. I also am thinking of giving her skills that revolve around granting 'Attacks of Opportunities' and the Expert Tactician feat. I generally trying to get a feel for a high damage character with using her defences based into parry instead of heavy armor and constitution.

Think this build could work out well? I'm not entirely sure at the moment, I don't know the combat rules of D&D heavily so that puts me at a moderate disadvantage. So would parry be of any use with this character? I was hoping the two hand defense along with improved parry and skill focus on parry would give her alot of tanking ability without the need for heavy armor while still maintaining a nice reposte damage of a two hander great-sword.

Well, the lack of use with expert tactician kind of ruins the point of investing in things such as knock down. I was hoping the attacks of opportunities it brought would benefit groups since expert tactician is suppossed to help in attack rolls (Or something to that extent.) Also, I ment wielding one great-sword, sorry for the miscomunication. well, I invested into int to atleast 13 to get a feat, and are you positive two hand fighting doesn't apply to 2 hander swords? If so, that's the complete basis for my characters build, so the whole build is down the toilet from there. I need to get better aquainted with D&D, that's what this discussion is ending up to mean. Anyway, thanks guys. I may just go for a higher con and invest in shield and swords I guess. Also, I was planning on investing into fortitude and reflex saves and attempting to keep my strength and dexterity in a close range of one another. But I wasn't planning on working on will because my primary focus wasn't tanking altogether as much as holding a bit of melee aggro while avoiding damage and dealing some. Thanks for the advice!
My advice would be to only have a max of 13 dex if you're going to have heavy armour proficiency. This is because Fullplate has a max dex bonus of +1. This is a total of 9 AC if you have the dex bonus with fullplate, only padded armour gives 9 AC (8 Dex bonus, 1 armour), everything else gives 8 or less. 13 allows you to get dodge, and later if you get a +3 dex belt and mithril fullplate, you're getting 2 more AC, but thats hardly worth worrying about yet (mid-late game items)

When not rping, you don't need that much Int, unless of course you want Combat Expertise, which in that case you need 13 and may as well go to 14, so you're good there. If I'm not mistaken, lowering dex to 13 will give you 3 spare points, which putting into strength means that if you put all 5 level up points in strength you end on an even number. That is up to you, there are +3 strength items, but they are rare.

With those kind of stats, and a nice weapon like greatsword you're opening yourself up nicely to Weapon Master. This requires Combat Expertise, and Dodge as the base feats. Both of which you have the stats for. You'll also need mobility, spring attack, and whirlwind attack (Which is really nice) and weapon focus. The most common (And probably best) build for weapon master/fighter is usually 7 Weaponmaster, 12 fighter, 1 free. The free can be used for anything, but you don't gain much from 1 weaponmaster or fighter more. Weapon master sounds like something you'd like simply because it helps you swing your great sword better, as it increases many stats about the greatsword (Such as crit range, crit damage and AB) as well as the fighter giving things such as weapon specialization, greater weapon focus and greater weapon specialization.
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Weapon_master

As was said before, expert tactician is broken, but that doesn't mean knockdown is useless. Disarm is also very handy. You don't want to take much aggro, so knockdown keeps them from attacking you, while disarm makes it so that when they do attack you, they do little damage. Disarm is very powerful with a two-handed weapon as well. With good criting ability, and high AB, you can make good use of Power attack as well, as with a two handed weapon it doubles. If you get improved power attack thats 12 bonus damage per hit, meaning regular hits can hit (Assuming 18 strength and +2 weapon) from 22-32 on a great sword. That can be quite handy when you're not under pressure.

Other weapons of note with Fighter/Weapon Master builds are Falchions and Scythes, as falchions have a large crit range, and scythes have huge crit damage.

Those are all the suggestions I can come up with at the moment, if there is a different character concept you would like advice on, I can give you some technical advice on that too.
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